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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2010, 08:18:19 AM »

So far - it appears Obama's "zero tolerance" on invasive species as he claimed is now null and void .... since he appears to be doing nothing and not wanting to do anything regarding this imminent disaster. If this is shelved and pushed aside which it will probally be - in the distant future when you see a carp on the lakefront - thank Obama!

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Washington - Almost three months after learning that Asian carp had breached the last line of defense for the Great Lakes - an electric barrier on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal - the federal government has put together a plan to try to do something about it.

It calls for tens of millions of dollars to be spent on new barriers, new studies and more fish poison, though much of that money had already been committed for those projects.

Significantly, the plan does not call for an emergency closure of two navigation locks, something politicians outside Illinois have been advocating. The plan will, however, consider periodic lock closures ranging from three or four days a week to weeklong shutdowns a couple of times each month.

Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox is again asking the Supreme Court to order the locks closed full time until the government can figure out how to beat back the voracious fish, which have advanced past the electrical fish barrier on the Illinois canal about 20 miles downstream from Lake Michigan.

The court declined a similar request last month, but Cox, who is running for governor, is repeating the request because of recent news that carp DNA had been found in the open waters of Lake Michigan, adding another layer of urgency.

The idea that the carp can be stopped from swimming into Lake Michigan by shutting the locks for days on end and then periodically reopening them for barges does not sit well with him.

"That sounds as logical as keeping criminals in jail four days a week and hoping the other three days go well," said an e-mail from his office.

Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, who attended a carp "summit" Monday at the White House, said he pressed "very hard on our view that the locks should be closed."

While he didn't get the answer he wanted, Doyle said the Obama administration is dealing with the problem "in a very significant way."

"I have no doubt they are very much focused on taking this very seriously," he said.

Cox disagreed.

"President Obama proved today that he'll do anything to protect the narrow interests of his home state of Illinois, even if it means destroying Michigan's economy," he said in a statement. "Officials from his administration unveiled a 25-step plan full of half-measures and gimmicks when keeping Asian carp from devastating the Great Lakes $7 billion fishery requires only one step - immediately closing the locks."

Nancy Sutley, chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, said after the summit meeting that simply closing the locks would not solve the problem of protecting the Great Lakes from the giant, jumping carp that escaped their Arkansas containment ponds decades ago and have been migrating northward ever since.

"Closing just those two structures would not necessarily be the silver bullet that we're all looking for," she said.

Officials at the meeting included Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson as well as top-level officials with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
Not new cash

The plan released Monday touts the $78.5 million that has been committed to the fight, including about $10 million for a third electric fish barrier on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, though preliminary work on that barrier has been well under way for months. It also calls for $13 million for a wall-like barrier to keep fish from riding floodwaters in the carp-infested Des Plaines River into the adjacent canal, which has a direct connection to Lake Michigan. Funding for that project was announced weeks ago.

"I don't see that as a huge bundle of new cash," said Joel Brammeier of the Alliance for the Great Lakes.

The plan also calls for longer-term programs to prevent a breeding population from making its way into the Great Lakes. That includes $5 million to poison areas above the electric barrier if Asian carp are found, and more than $1.5 million in new research funding that will go toward programs to explore carp-specific poisons and methods to disrupt their reproduction. It also commits money toward exploring ways to market the fish as a food source.

And it calls for increased testing for Asian carp DNA in waters above the barrier.

"We think there's still time through a series of measures, a number of different strategies, that will hopefully keep the carp from establishing sustainable populations in the Great Lakes," Sutley said.

Brammeier said he needed more time to review the document before he could comment, though other conservationists said they are disappointed the government isn't taking more aggressive steps.

"I am remarkably underwhelmed," said Henry Henderson of the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Henderson said he is confused why the federal government has decided that closing the locks is now a viable strategy when in the past, federal officials said the aged, leaky structures would not work as an effective barrier.

"It seems to be more politically negotiated than scientifically based," he said.

The new plan calls for looking at how well the locks will act as a barrier to the fish, and environmental and economic consequences of closing the structures, which are used for navigation as well as flood control.
Catering to business

Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn called the framework a "comprehensive mix of immediate, midterm and long-term actions."

"It balances the urgent need to remove Asian carp from the Chicago Area Waterway System with the need to maintain the waterway system for navigation, storm water and wastewater management," he said in a statement. "We have a duty to protect the ecology of the Great Lakes, ensure citizens access to clean, healthy drinking water, while preserving the jobs and businesses that depend on our waterways for shipping and commerce."

Jennifer Nalbone of Great Lakes United, a conservation group, said the plan will do some good, particularly with the funding it sets aside for more research into understanding and controlling the giant carp.

Still, she charged that the plan is "catering to the barge industry."

Nonsense, say barge operators.

"We remain strongly opposed to any lock closure, even temporary or intermittent, as this would significantly disrupt commerce and put towing companies out of business - and hardworking Americans out of a job - without stopping the advance of the carp," said Anne Burns of the American Waterways Operators.

Alliance for the Great Lakes' Brammeier can understand why the barge industry isn't happy that the federal government is considering part-time closures.

He sees it as a significant change in federal policy, even if it might not be the best strategy to keep the carp out in the short term.

"I'm seeing a slow erosion in the case that navigation should continue as usual, and it's not coming from environmental groups, it's coming from the federal government and state governments," he said. "You've got the feds acknowledging that they can and should change navigation to protect the Great Lakes.

"We are reaching the tipping point where it no longer makes sense to invest in navigation as usual," he added. "I think that's the real story here, regardless of what happens in the short term."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/83853582.html
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2010, 10:17:41 AM »

I say seal off the canal and build a Falkirk Wheel with the shock fence still working. That way you get water pumped in from the lake to feed the canal, no direct connection. Then the only water direction is from the lake and there is no connection to the canal and the fish in it. Plus a wheel like that would be pretty sweet in Chicago.

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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2010, 10:40:13 AM »

I say seal it and tell those fucking FIB's to stop stealing Lake Michigan water - problem solved. Smiley
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« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2010, 03:13:20 PM »

http://greatlakesecho.org/2010/02/24/photoshop-your-asian-carp-blues-away/

For you bored people.
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« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2010, 11:43:39 AM »

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/88818817.html

The U.S. Supreme Court has again denied a request by a coalition of Great Lakes states to order two Chicago navigation locks shut in a desperate attempt to keep Asian carp from colonizing Lake Michigan.

Chicago-area barge operators and tour boat operators have vigorously fought the idea of closing the locks, contending it will wreak havoc on their businesses and do little if anything to slow the advance of the jumbo carp that have a history of upending the ecosystems they invade.

The court denied a similar request on January 19, the same day it was revealed that "environmental" DNA samples taken along the shoreline of Lake Michigan south of downtown Chicago tested positive for the presence of Asian carp.

That discovery prompted Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox to ask the court again to close the locks.

As it did in January, the court gave no explanation for its decision to deny the preliminary injunction.

The Army Corps of Engineers, meanwhile, has said it would consider modifying the way locks operate but stopped short of considering full-time closures. It is mulling a range of options from doing nothing different with the locks to closing them several days each week to closing them for one or two weeks per month. A decision on the matter is expected soon.

The Corps, however, has said that the aged, leaky locks were not designed to be used as a barrier between the fish and Lake Michigan.

Another concern is two nearby waterways, the Little Calumet and Grand Calumet Rivers, could also provide a pathway for the carp to invade the lake, and there are no locks on those rivers to shut to try to stop the advance.
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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2010, 01:42:32 PM »

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/92091904.html

Supreme Court refuses to reopen Chicago canal case

The U.S. Supreme Court Monday denied a request by a coalition of Great Lakes states to reopen an ongoing case over Chicago's diversion of billions of gallons of Lake Michigan water each day.

The court gave no reason for its decision.

The push to resuscitate the dormant case was spawned by news late last year that the northern migrating Asian carp had evidently breached an electric barrier on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, about 25 miles downstream from Lake Michigan.

The canal, an engineering marvel when it opened in 1900, reversed the flow of the Chicago River, allowing the city to flush its sewage away from its drinking water intake pipes in Lake Michigan and into the Mississippi River basin.

The sewage-carrying channel created an artificial link between the Mississippi and the Great Lakes basins and also established a navigational corridor between the lakes and the heart of the continent.

But it has also become a pathway between the two grand basins for invasive species such as zebra mussels and round gobies.

The states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio and New York turned to the Supreme Court late last year in hopes it would reopen a decades-old lawsuit over the operation of the Chicago canal system.

Their goal was to force the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to permanently re-engineer the canal system to once again separate Lake Michigan from the Mississippi, a project that could take years and cost a bundle of money because it would essentially require re-plumbing much of the Chicago area.

The Corps had previously agreed to take a look at what it would take to once again separate the two basins, and it expects to release the results of that study in 2012.

The states that sued also wanted the court to take emergency action and issue an injunction to force the Corps to shut down two navigation locks in a desperate attempt to keep the carp out of the lake in the short term. The court twice denied that request already this year.

The Army Corps, meanwhile, has said it will consider periodic short-term closure of the locks to try to keep the fish out of Lake Michigan.

No actual fish have been found above the electric barrier, though "environmental" DNA tests showed their presence in canal waters above the barrier and in Lake Michigan itself.

Biologists say it likely will take more than a small population of fish making their way into the lake to establish a breeding population.
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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2010, 02:02:26 PM »

Read some of the ignorant FIB comments

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/supreme-court-steers-clear-of-asian-carp-dispute-1.html

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« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2010, 09:42:16 AM »

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/94307104.html

Just as another massive fish poisoning of the Chicago canal system is about to begin, Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen and colleagues from four other Great Lakes states went on the attack Wednesday, claiming the federal government is failing in the fight to keep Asian carp from invading Lake Michigan.

"The migration of Asian carp remains an immediate and dire threat to the Great Lakes," states a letter from Van Hollen and the attorneys general from Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Minnesota to the Army Corps of Engineers' Maj. Gen. John Peabody. "The (government's) response must be commensurate with the urgency and magnitude of that threat."

The attorneys general want Peabody to close two navigation locks in Chicago in an attempt to establish a physical barrier between the advancing fish and the lake, a move Illinois political leaders and federal agency workers say could have dramatic economic consequences for barge operators and the industries that depend on them.

Instead, the federal government is pursuing a plan that includes poisoning a two-mile stretch of the Little Calumet River south of downtown Chicago. That operation will begin Thursday. The goal is to reduce the number of invaders and to get a better idea of how many of the giant, ecosystem-ravaging fish are swimming in the waters just south of Lake Michigan.

The poisoning is expected to last about five days, during which time boat access in the area will be restricted. But the attorneys general don't think the federal government is doing enough to protect the Great Lakes' $7 billion fishery from the jumping fish that can grow bigger than 50 pounds.

"The plan to apply fish poison for the first time in nearly six months - in just one of the areas that have tested positive for Asian carp (environmental) DNA - is not enough. They need to take real action on all fronts," said Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox, who is running for governor.

Late last year, University of Notre Dame biologists announced that environmental DNA tests revealed that the fish had breached an electric barrier on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. Water samples showed fish DNA within a few miles of the lakeshore, and some tests even showed the presence of Asian carp DNA in Lake Michigan itself.

Still, no actual fish have been found above the electric barrier, which is about 25 miles downstream from Lake Michigan. That barrier was turned off briefly in December for maintenance, and at that time the canal water below the barrier was poisoned to clear it of any Asian carp.

The $3 million operation yielded a single Asian carp.

Still, the scientists who developed the DNA technology say a positive result is solid evidence that at least a small number of fish have made their way into a waterway. They say the tests are so sensitive that they can identify even tiny populations, which they say means it is unlikely poisoning, shocking and netting efforts will land actual carcasses.

While the U.S. Supreme Court declined to wade into the controversy earlier this spring, Wednesday's letter is a sign that the pressure for the federal government to do more has not gone away.

Beyond emergency lock closure, the attorneys general want the federal government to expedite a plan to re-establish the natural barrier between Lake Michigan and the Asian carp-infested Mississippi River basin. That barrier was destroyed with the construction of Chicago's sewage-carrying canal system over a century ago.

Earlier this month, meanwhile, a bipartisan coalition of congressional lawmakers introduced legislation that would force the locks closed. Legislation sponsors, including Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), say there is enough evidence to warrant drastic action.

While the leaders of the federal team trying to repel the carp say they take the positive DNA samples seriously, they are still not convinced many - if any - Asian carp actually breached the barrier and are now on Lake Michigan's doorstep.

They said more research is needed, and that is why they will be poisoning Chicago waters this week.
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« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2010, 03:34:22 PM »

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/97003199.html

Well kiddies - the feared is now reality .... they found a 3 foot 19 pound Asia carp above the barrier today! Thanks Chicago and Obama.

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« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2010, 07:51:02 AM »

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/98753699.html

State joins in Asian carp suit
Wisconsin, 4 others demand Chicago water system close 2 locks, increase netting efforts


Wisconsin and four other Great Lakes states filed a lawsuit Monday against the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District of Greater Chicago to force changes on the Chicago River to halt the advance of the Asian carp into Lake Michigan.

The federal suit, which also names the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers as a defendant, asks the court to immediately order shut two lakeside navigation locks except in emergency situations, such as big storms when the locks are opened as a safety valve to prevent flooding in the Chicago area.

The lawsuit seeks more poisoning and netting programs for Asian carp that may have already breached the electric barrier on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, which is about 35 miles downstream from the Lake Michigan shoreline.

The suit also demands that the Corps fast-track a study looking at options for reconstructing the separation between Lake Michigan and the Mississippi River basin that the Chicago canals destroyed more than a century ago.

Meanwhile, federal lawmakers who are also pushing for legislation that would force the Corps to expedite its re-separation study held a hearing on the issue last week.

The bill was introduced just days after a 20-pound Asian carp was found June 22 about six miles from the Lake Michigan shoreline - the first confirmed find of an Asian carp above the electric barrier, though water samples taken from the canal system since last fall have repeatedly tested positive for the presence of Asian carp DNA.
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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2010, 08:37:31 AM »

how do you know the carp didnt exist before obama?
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« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2010, 08:44:56 AM »

Have you been paying attention at all this entire time?
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