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« on: February 22, 2010, 10:40:39 AM »

Sussex — Clutching cups of coffee and chatting in loose groups, the people outside Starbucks on Sunday didn't look particularly unusual, save for the holstered guns strapped to nearly everyone's hip or thigh.

The display of Smith & Wessons, Glocks and Kel-Tec pistols among lattes and coffeecake was part of an organized rally to spread awareness about Wisconsin's open carry law as well as the recent treatment of a Sussex gun carrier by local law enforcement. Participants later drove to the Wisconsin State Patrol District Headquarters in Waukesha and demonstrated on the front lawn.

The turnout - about 40 people from various parts of Wisconsin and Illinois - may indicate growing support for the expansion of gun rights in the state, and in particular, legislation that could make it possible for people to carry concealed weapons.

State law allows adults to openly carry guns, but not in businesses that ask them not to, places that serve alcohol, and not in school zones or public buildings. Last spring, Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen re-affirmed in a brief the right of Wisconsin's residents to bear arms openly, saying that those who do so should not be subject to disorderly conduct tickets from local law enforcement.

"That was the floodgate," said New Berlin resident Nik Clark, who organized the rally Sunday and is the president of Wisconsin Carry Inc., a new statewide organization pushing for expanded gun rights. "It verified what people already knew, but some people were still afraid to carry their guns openly until that opinion came out."

Clark said Sunday's gathering was prompted by what members perceived as improper law enforcement action against Sussex resident Joseph Schneider.

Earlier this month, a Wisconsin State Patrol officer approached Schneider at China Wok in Sussex and asked him to take his gun out of the business. Schneider, who said he has openly carried his gun many times at the China Wok in Sussex without a problem, videotaped the encounter and then left the restaurant.

The video clip shows the officer first asking the restaurant owners if they allowed guns in the restaurant. After appearing confused, the employees said no, they did not allow guns.

Later that day, Schneider was questioned by Waukesha County Sherriff's Department deputies on suspicion that he might have been impersonating a police officer.

The State Patrol District Headquarters in Waukesha was closed Sunday and no representative could be reached for comment. As for the Waukesha County Sheriff's Department, Public Information Officer Steve Pederson said that the sheriff's deputies acted appropriately, and that their questioning had nothing to do with Schneider openly carrying a gun.

"We have gotten reports from other areas about people impersonating police officers," Pederson said, adding that some of the equipment seen in or on Schneider's car, such as a radar gun and police scanner and antennas, led them to follow up on the lead.

Pederson said that Schneider was cooperative, and that the officers did not find evidence to support that Schneider was impersonating law enforcement.

News of Schneider's story spread on the Internet and through online social networks, prompting gun rights advocates to believe Schneider was unfairly treated.

"We all believe we should be allowed to defend ourselves," said Krysta Sutterfield, a Milwaukee resident who recently bought a 9mm Kel-Tec pistol that she carries openly. "If people see a gun, they automatically think criminal. But criminals don't wear their guns in holsters."

Shaun Kranish, a rally participant from Rockford, Ill., said support for a concealed carry law is growing in Wisconsin. Twice, Gov. Jim Doyle has vetoed legislation that would make that possible.

"Almost every state has moved toward fewer restrictions on guns, except Wisconsin and Illinois," said Kranish, who started the Web site www.ICarry.org to build support for concealed carry laws in both states.

The difference between open carry and concealed carry, beyond the visibility aspect, is that just about any adult may openly carry a gun, while those who carry concealed weapons generally must purchase a permit and be trained in how to use the firearm.

Gun rights advocates generally support concealed carry because they think it makes it harder for criminals to know who is armed and who isn't, Kranish said. That fear and uncertainty, he added, can help reduce criminal activity.

Those opposed to expanding gun rights generally think the move can lead to more guns being displayed prematurely, more accidents and more violence.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/84928722.html

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 11:06:38 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 11:10:55 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 11:16:41 AM »

Heh ... I'm on board with the idea .... I would have shown up with RY for some coffee if I knew about it Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 10:11:00 AM »

how does flaunting guns in public bring support for firearms?

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 10:28:56 AM »

how does flaunting guns in public bring support for firearms?

morons.

By exposing a legal loophole in attempts for that loophole to finally be shut.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 10:36:13 AM »

what is the loophole?

i don't see what good standing outside a starbucks with guns does for anyone involved.

on a lighter note:

The Simpsons - Gun Shop
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 10:49:34 AM »

Heh great episode.

Well as J.B. said last year, there is no law in place baring people from open carry in the state. Pro concealed/open carry advocates have been working on getting this loophole shut with real gun reform in regards to WI (alongside IL and DC) as being the only states in the US with no legal channel for an individual to carry a firearm openly or concealed.

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 10:51:48 AM »

right.

so what good does it do to stand out in public with your guns?

so people are afraid and will support legislation to allow you to hide the gun? out of sight, out of mind argument?

make no sense.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 10:58:31 AM »

Them standing in public - showing support for their cause.

Resolution - depends on your view of the subject. One thing for sure is that being one of the only states left that has supreme restriction on gun carry laws - our 2nd amendment right in this country - IMHO is unconstitutional and needs to be corrected.

Personally I am for restrictive concealed carry laws like many have nation wide and which have been proven safe and effective. Once Doyal is gone this will be in the limelight yet again and dependent on who gets elected will depend on what happens. If the current law is ratified to being the same - it will be brought to the supreme court as a challenge to ones 2nd amendment right and will be overturned (just like in DC).
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 11:01:26 AM »

i dunno.

seems equivalent to pro-choice advocates performing abortions in public to support the cause.

just breeds fear and more ignorance.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 11:04:02 AM »

Heh - well what they did was 100% legal and even Wisconsin's attorney general agreed and stated for all to do so without fear of arrest. The past long while has led this issue to have been hidden behind bureaucracy - so thats obviously not working. Your abortion analogy is a bit overkill also Wink

Also remember this: Wisconsin is one of two states that completely prohibit concealed carry by private citizens. Open carry is legal except where prohibited by law due to the legal loophole (vehicles, government buildings, schools, and establishments that sell liquor for consumption on the premises, and 1000' from the edge of school property unless on private property)."
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 11:08:25 AM »

Also:

In Washington, D.C. - whom has as restrictive gun laws as WI & IL prohibited the possession of handguns, even in private citizens' own homes, unless they were registered before 1976. However, the handgun ban was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller. The Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment acknowledges and guarantees the right of the individual to possess and carry firearms, and therefore D.C.'s ban on handguns was unconstitutional.

A lawsuit was filed on August 6, 2009 to compel the district to issue permits to carry weapons.


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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 11:24:42 AM »

i own a gun.  i like guns.  i enjoy going to the range.  i think legally i should be allowed to own a gun to protect my home.  i don't want everybody walking around with concealed guns though.

many 2nd ammendment quoters seem to forget the "in a militia" part of the amendment.  
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 11:30:17 AM »

i own a gun.  i like guns.  i enjoy going to the range.  i think legally i should be allowed to own a gun to protect my home.  i don't want everybody walking around with concealed guns though.

many 2nd ammendment quoters seem to forget the "in a militia" part of the amendment.  

i 2nd that.

let's have a tms gun range day

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