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« on: November 14, 2008, 09:00:08 PM »

 It's more than twice as old as the Pyramids, or even the written word. When it was built, saber-toothed tigers and woolly mammoths still roamed, and the Ice Age had just ended.

The elaborate temple at Gobelki Tepe in southeastern Turkey, near the Syrian border, is staggeringly ancient: 11,500 years old, from a time just before humans learned to farm grains and domesticate animals.

According to the German archaeologist in charge of excavations at the site, it might be the birthplace of agriculture, of organized religion — of civilization itself.

"This is the first human-built holy place," Klaus Schmidt of the German Archaeological Institute says in the November issue of Smithsonian magazine.

Schmidt and his colleagues say no evidence of permanent settlement has been found at the site, although there are remains of butchered animals and edible plants.

However, all of the bones are from wild animals, and all the vegetation from wild plants. That means the massive structure was built by a hunter-gatherer society, not a settled agricultural one.

Yet the three dozen T-shaped standing limestone monoliths arranged around the site are 10 feet high, weigh several tons each and bear detailed, stylized carvings of foxes, scorpions, lions, boars and birds. The builders may not have been farmers, but they weren't primitive.

Massive amounts of manpower would have been needed to build the site, a logistical problem that may have spurred the builders to begin planting grain and herding wild sheep, Schmidt thinks.

Wild grain ancestral to modern wheat grows nearby, and the site itself is just outside the city of Sanliurfa, known as Edessa to the Crusaders — and which locals say is the Biblical city of Ur, birthplace of Abraham. The Euphrates flows eighty miles to the west, putting Gobelki Tepe smack in the middle of the Fertile Crescent.

"This shows sociocultural changes come first, agriculture comes later," Stanford archaeologist Ian Hodder tells Smithsonian magazine. "You can make a good case this area is the real origin of complex Neolithic societies."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/gobekli-tepe.html

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/1410,features,digging-for-history-in-turkey

http://www.dainst.org/index.php?id=642&sessionLanguage=en





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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 08:38:53 AM »

W.O.W - impressive. WE ROCK...
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 10:14:08 AM »

W.O.W - impressive. WE ROCK...

I thought you were Iranian/Persian and not Turkish Wink Regardless you did not originate from the area - you guys wound up there after thousands of years Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 10:58:06 AM »

hehe, the beginning of the end.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2008, 12:52:25 PM »

Bah to Croat.  You still rock Geisu!
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2008, 01:17:43 PM »

Bah to Croat.  You still rock Geisu!

Heh - me and Farz got into this once Cheesy

The Croat's originate from Persia .... so I guess we rock Wink
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2008, 02:16:56 PM »

we have turkish blood on my grandmothers side... growing up when they didn't want us to understand what was being said in farsi.. they would switch to turkish... my mom, farzi's mom all speak it... and our grandfather was really of iranian/russian origon i think.. he spoke russian and listened to the russian radio but nobody ever understood that mess... i think i only know one turkish word.. "no" heh
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2008, 02:27:41 PM »

we have turkish blood on my grandmothers side... growing up when they didn't want us to understand what was being said in farsi.. they would switch to turkish... my mom, farzi's mom all speak it... and our grandfather was really of iranian/russian origon i think.. he spoke russian and listened to the russian radio but nobody ever understood that mess... i think i only know one turkish word.. "no" heh

Haa ... yea I remember Farz saying that he was slightly tainted with some Turkish in his blood Cheesy Go look at your roots, you guys originated from Siberia (Russia) - makes sense.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2008, 03:12:38 PM »

Lots of people were "Persians" at one time or another.  The old empire was freaking HUGE!
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2008, 03:25:02 PM »

Not talking about the empire - talking about the physical place where modern people can be traced back to.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

There is a map on an Iranian server somewhere which illustrates this - searching for it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2008, 04:58:59 PM »

GO HEAD CROAT!!!!  tell em' white folks what up!!!!  Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2008, 05:25:43 PM »

Heh .... its interesting to research where you actually came from versus where you think your from/told you were from. So I am more Persian than Farzad - cept I'm a whitey Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2008, 08:04:32 PM »

And 300 spartans stood before your tyrant king and awakened the greek beast that crushed your precious empire.

so blah!

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